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Re: JAPANESE SPORTS CARS VS AMERICAN SPORTS CARS (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 19:22:08 01/12/2001
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Oooooh, a 94 civic hatchback? Get out of town! That car is the coolest looking car I've ever seen..... ppfffft NOT!!! UGLY CAR by the way. Oh, did you mean to say your nitrous blown 94 civic hatchback would blow any of the american rusted doors off? You forgot to say that those cars you would be beating would probably only be stock. Way to go, you spent all that money to beat a STOCK American car. Should've just used that money to get the American car. And, as a finishing statement, I guarantee that if an American car had the same mods you do on your Civic (nitrous blown), you would be looking at the American car's rear lights all the way up the drag strip, that is, if your vision is good. Have a nice day.
Silvia-S15 Re: JAPANESE SPORTS CARS VS AMERICAN SPORTS CARS (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 03:23:00 01/15/2001
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I live in Australia where we get to see a lot of the new Japanese sports cars and virtually no American sports/muscle cars. The main reason (IMHO) is cost! Converting them to right hand drive would not be worth it, it would cost as much as a CLK 430 AMG or an M5/M3 after the conversion's done which is what most people would go for anyway, although we are looking at some specialised (Ford promotion thing) imports of the Mustang, but for over $100,000 who would buy one?! Also those big thumping V8's, V10's, V12's or whaterver guzzle way too much petrol and with soaring petrol prices here in aust. they would never sell. Dont get me wrong Aussies love their big meaty V8's like me. We have the HSV GTS 300 which is pushing 300kw (402.3 hp)
and about 500Nm (678 lbft) of Torque all in stock standard trim. check out :

http://www.hsv.com.au/cars/vx/vx_gts/vx_gts_main.htm

This car is all Australian and costs about $100,000 and uses a Chevy 5.7 litre V8. for half that price you could run with this beast (if not outrun it) and match it for performance, probably out match it with the 4wd turbo's around here. Unfortunately you yanks dont get
the Subaru WRX turbo 4wd (based on the rally car) - this thing was so popular, cheap, *** fast it was coined the "Ram raiders car" and the local police force had to get one to keep up with the kids as it outran their big clunky V8's around the city. It instantly became cult car status. We also get the STi tuned version of these cars upping the performance bar again. Australia is getting a shipment of "Mitsubishi Evolution VI Tommy Makkinen editions" 0-100km in around 4.9 seconds - straight from the Mitsubisi dealer with factory warranty!! I dont think you guys will ever see this at a Mitsubishi dealer... Also, Nissan Australia is re-assesing it's idea to bring in the Skyline R-34 GTR (currently as a grey import), Toyota is bringing in a turbo-charged Corolla and Mazda are bringing in a 4wd turbo of the 626 called the MPS!

STE had the best comment with bruce lee and joe wieder... hehe.. made me laugh. I would have to agree, Bruce Lee could kick joe wieder's ass but in any case they can both get the job done but go about it in different ways.

Australia imports a large number of 180Sx (the old S13 Nissan Silvia's), these sell a lot more than old pumped Australian V8's of the same year, why? They simply outrun the V8's for a lot less money and kids buying the 180Sx simply want more bang for their buck! In terms of reliability these cars are still hammering around the streets of Melbourne after being imported from Japan where they would've seen a few kilometers ont the clock

Granted they dont make the Supra, 300Zx's 3000GT's anymore (we never got those and only as grey imports). But they're making bigger and badder. Take for instance the Lancer Evolution VII in development, the S15 Nissan Silvia, the Subaru Sti, Liberty B4 etc.

As for the German and Italian marques, they're around of course but not as common in the streets as they are in the US. Just too expensive! My point?? "Bang for your buck!" You gotta target the mid to late twenties single IT proffessional on a phat salary, with more
testosterone than two 15 year olds at a Swedish Bikini contest!! Turbo charging is the only way to do it, cost effectivley and smartly and the Japanese car scene here in Oz are doing a *** good job of it. So good in fact that the Nissan Skyline GTR R-33 imports here in Oz are coming in around $AUS55,000 -> $AUS75,000 (for the V-spec model) and kicking everything (I mean everything!)on the road, yes including your Porsches etc.. So if you wanna spend 55-75k $AUS and an additional 10-15k for modifications and outrun, outhandle, out perform everything else on the road and match the Porsche/Ferrari/Merc AMG's (Lamborghini's are over half a million dollars here!!) then thats where my money is, then again this is the land down under...

Sir Francis Haddock Re: JAPANESE SPORTS CARS VS AMERICAN SPORTS CARS (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 03:22:55 01/19/2001
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Come on you idiots, the best sports cars are made in....Europe! i.e. Ferrari, Porsche and clan.

Oh sure, if you race a 360 Modena with a Corvette from 0-60, I'm sure they'll be evenly matched, but have a proper race (i.e. on anything OTHER THAN a short, straight piece of road) and your 'vette will get kicked in the ass! Same goes for your 8.0 litre Viper - which brings me to the question at hand.

The SECOND best sports cars are made in Japan! The only reason that American "sports" cars have comparable performance is because they have 5.0-8.0 litre engines! If Honda (or Ferrari for that matter) made a car with an 8.0 litre engine, it'll probably be faster than an F1 car!

Face it guys! American sports cars suck! If Henry Ford were alive today...well.. he'll probably commit suicide! Hahahahah!!!!
Silva-S15 Re: JAPANESE SPORTS CARS VS AMERICAN SPORTS CARS (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 02:09:20 01/24/2001
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What classifies a sports car? Why are the European cars the best in the world? Cause they're more expensive or have such a prestigous name? Does a top of the line Blaupunkt/Denon stereo have better acoustic dynamics than a top of the line Sony/Pioneer?

Have you seen a Skyline GTR negotiate the twisted roads of the Nurburgring in Germany in a completely stock setup with road going wheels? No... it beat everything else! Porsche claimed faster by something like .01 seconds and with Race (non-road legal) tyres! And yes the Skyline has 4-wheel drive and 4-wheel steering.. and yes the Porsche will beat it in a straight line but when you have something other than straight road, it looks as though the skyline gtr is outdoing the Porsche. Keep in mind that the Skyline was banned here in Australia competing in the Bathurst races. Why? it simply thrashed all the V8 cars (i.e. all the other competitors) that Aussie's could throw at it! This was back in the 80's or early 90's... that was then, and still the same story today!

Yeah my head would turn if I saw someone in a Ferrari 360 Modena Spyder, and would still turn if I saw someone in a Honda NSX Targa or Nissan Skyline GTR-R34...

European sports cars are good, dont get me wrong, but are way too overrated...

Sir Francis Haddock Re: JAPANESE SPORTS CARS VS AMERICAN SPORTS CARS (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 04:44:32 01/24/2001
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Overrated or not, the point IS, European sports cars are the BEST. i.e. in general they are better than both American AND Japanese sports cars.

Look, if you took a sampling of sports cars from the three regions and compared them....say from America a Corvette, Viper and what..a Camaro? Mustang?..please....anyway...Ok, and from Japan a Skyline, an NSX and an Impreza WRX STi or a Lancer Evo VI, and then took some European cars....heck, forget the rest, just take some Ferrari's. Ok, if you did that, and gave it to a group of people do drive and then asked them which ones they enjoyed the most....I am sure that it will be the Ferrari's.

What makes a sports car??? It's not just straight line acceleration, nor is it simply lapping the Nurnburnring fastest. It's also the enjoyment of driving it. The feel of the car, the sound of the engine.....you know. The work I'm searching for here is...pleasure. For sheer driving pleasure, the Japs and Yanks just don't even come close.

Getting back to your comparision of the Skyline to the Porsche....hey, you're comparing one of Japan's top two "Supercars" to an ordinary European car. What do you think would happen if your Skyline took on a McLaren F1? Or a Jaguar XJ220?? Or a Ferrari F50??? Or the upcoming F60???? These things would probably lap Nurnburgring while the Skyline is still halfway. (Ok, that's an exxageration).

Anyway, we've forgotten the Americans. Ok, let's say...If European sports cars got 90 marks, then the Japs would get about 75 and the Americans would get...er....10. Ok, maybe 12.


Asian Re: JAPANESE SPORTS CARS VS AMERICAN SPORTS CARS (Currently 1 replies)
Posted At 23:02:31 02/07/2001
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Hey i drive a 95 hatchback i got the car for $500 with no motor and i purchased an integra type r motor from canada... total cost for the car the way it is was $3000, and it runs a 12.7 @118mph.... any american faggots beat that stock? american cars are **ing gay.. PS i even launch on eagle talon AWD turbos and new corvettes, i promise i race street and strip white people cant build motors
Wildcat Re: JAPANESE SPORTS CARS VS AMERICAN SPORTS CARS (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 23:39:20 02/09/2001
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Try 2.92 @303 mph......stock dragster, built from the ground up, by uh......white people:)
Wildcat your BULL ***! Re: JAPANESE SPORTS CARS VS AMERICAN SPORTS CARS (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 06:26:10 02/12/2001
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Wildcat your so fawkin bull ***...i know you aint got a dragster that can go that fast. *** i hate it when people say *** like this.
Wildcat Re: JAPANESE SPORTS CARS VS AMERICAN SPORTS CARS (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 23:38:30 02/14/2001
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lmao, I never said >>>I<<< had it, God I wish!!! A friend of mine, his uncle builds/works on dragsters, makes the engines from scratch. That bad boy I just mentioned is a 555 ci, that redlines at 11,000 rpm, pushes well over a thousand horse, and burns 40 gallons in 4-5 seconds. Learn a thing or two about REAL drag racing before you make an unfounded comment like that.
Cerrenus Re: JAPANESE SPORTS CARS VS AMERICAN SPORTS CARS (Currently 1 replies)
Posted At 15:00:15 02/15/2001
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uh.. us cars are NOT as reliable as japanese cars. hell no. no no no no. you can drive a us car to like 120K miles and then use it for an ash tray. you can drive a *** civic for like 250K. japanese cars seem to last longer. some japanese cars cost so much cuz they have to be modified to fit the regulations and laws of the u.s. there's a pollution check and of course the safety check. and crash tests.. if i had the money i'd get an r33 skyline gtr. but i don't.. in japan the car is like 25-30K US.
illevated Re: JAPANESE SPORTS CARS VS AMERICAN SPORTS CARS (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 19:20:24 02/18/2001
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yo wild cat...

you notice how everyone else here is talking about sports cars..not dragster. yeah...that's right, keep your bullshit to yourself.
mustang Re: JAPANESE SPORTS CARS VS AMERICAN SPORTS CARS (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 22:06:47 02/20/2001
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I recently bought a 67 mustang that was raced back whoever knows when. I am restoring the car right now, it hasnt been driven for the past 10 years. I got new plugs and a new carburator, not that it was totally needed. But this car just purrs, after 30+ years its never replaced, never worked on engine runs perfectly. I just drove it and flooring the petal with that V8 under the hood is the best feeling I have ever had (driving a car).

Everything but the carburator and breaks worked in that american car, and its american design still looks great.

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Re: JAPANESE SPORTS CARS VS AMERICAN SPORTS CARS (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 22:00:11 02/21/2001
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I repeat,

Japanese sports cars rock!
European sports cars rule!
American "sports" cars suck!

Sir Francis Haddock

P.S. See my two previous posts for an explanation...
Wildcat Re: JAPANESE SPORTS CARS VS AMERICAN SPORTS CARS (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 10:44:54 02/22/2001
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Originally posted by Cerrenus
"uh.. us cars are NOT as reliable as japanese cars. hell no. no no no no. you can drive a us car to like 120K miles and then use it for an ash tray. you can drive a *** civic for like 250K."

'72 Pontiac Catalina, 400K, no rebuild, and still going strong. Care to revise?

And illevated, I was speaking to the racist about drag racing.....>>>HE<<< brought it up. Pay attention.

sir_francis_haddock Re: JAPANESE SPORTS CARS VS AMERICAN SPORTS CARS (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 22:54:06 02/25/2001
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Oh right! Just because of your stupid 1 in a million '72 400k Cortina we all have to change our views???? Yeah right, get a life!

For every American "'72 400k and going strong" car, there would be thousands of Jap and Euro cars. Hahahahaha!!!!

Americans should stick to what they are good at - making ship-sized cars that have 6 litre engines which make only 200bhp. Hahaha....stay away from sports car manufacturing!

Asian Lover Re: JAPANESE SPORTS CARS VS AMERICAN SPORTS CARS (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 19:13:19 03/03/2001
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yeah, i can buy a V8 American sports car and then what just leave it stock, w/what the "great performance it comes with"? Common, i admit they r fun to drive but really no thrill. I have a 99'Honda Prelude. Yeah, i've added the occasional exhaust and other gizmos & guess what i love to drive my **ing car! it not only runs great, sounds great, and looks great. it is great! asian women also love them. and hey, if they love them i love them, both the girls and cars!!!! my car turns heads and still turns mine. i love my car just find whatever car u like and hey, be happy with that. the fact that u try to compare cars with whatever country they come from isn't fair. there are so many things to consider like the regulations in your country, weight, and accesories. the argument will never end. u guys are trying to compare cars from different categories, that's like comparing a land animal with a bird and trying to say that one is faster than the other, too many different characteristics to take in consideration. though i may add, some of the best cars do come from japan and euro., they just do now accept that!
Mr. Taurus Re: JAPANESE SPORTS CARS VS AMERICAN SPORTS CARS (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 22:03:43 03/04/2001
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umm... excuse me.... i guess none of you have ever heard of the 1993 ford taurus GL v6 3.0L. that car can kick any rice burner's ass or a vette any day. ** YOUR JAPS!!! FORD TAURUS ALL THE WAY!!!
kewl Re: JAPANESE SPORTS CARS VS AMERICAN SPORTS CARS (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 22:07:33 03/04/2001
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sir_francis_haddock Re: JAPANESE SPORTS CARS VS AMERICAN SPORTS CARS (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 07:05:12 03/05/2001
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Since you Americans keep shouting names like "ford taurus mustang camaro etc etc" and think that they are great sports cars, I though I'll just say a few car names. Just tell me what you stupid Americans have to beat these.....But first find out about the cars that I'm going to mention here, ok? and then say what you have to say...Ok here goes...This is just a sampling of some of the best European sports cars (not all of the best, there's lots more...)

1. McLaren F1
2. Ferrari 360 Modena

Well??? Say something......and don't say things like "my 8.0 litre nitrus turbo etc etc dodge viper can out accelerate your ferrari in a straight line, etc, etc" get a life - the Ferrari 360 Modena developes 400 bhp with a normaly aspirated (no turbo, no things) get this... 3.6 litre engine! As for the McLaren F1, 627bhp from a 6.0 litre engine, 0-60 mph in 3.2 secs. You dodge viper has 8.0 ***** litres and can't make 400 bhp! Huh........

Your comments, please!

Wildcat Re: JAPANESE SPORTS CARS VS AMERICAN SPORTS CARS (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 12:27:36 03/19/2001
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And sir francis......how much does a McLaren F1 cost? Yuh, thank you.
I'd rather go out and get a nice TVR that still goes faster than I'll ever need it to for a fraction of the cost. Now you're talking supercar....not just sportscar.
sir_francis_haddock Re: JAPANESE SPORTS CARS VS AMERICAN SPORTS CARS (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 06:07:48 03/22/2001
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And Mr Wildcar...do you having a simply having a good 0-60 time would make a proper sports car? Do you think a TVR would handle like a (forget the McLaren F1) like a Modena?? A TVR costs about 40,000 pounds and a Ferrari 360 Modena about 100,000. A big difference, as you say, but not exactly a the difference between the sky and the earth is it?

Now with a Modena, you really could go faster than you would ever need. Not with a TVR though....sure, you can accelerate faster than you ever would in a straigh line....but don't try taking any turns at 100 mph. Which it what I'd like to say to the Corvette and the Viper....don't take turns.
Nato Re: JAPANESE SPORTS CARS VS AMERICAN SPORTS CARS (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 05:59:19 03/24/2001
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Nissan cars alone by 2003 will be better than any cars on the market
sir_francis_haddock Re: JAPANESE SPORTS CARS VS AMERICAN SPORTS CARS (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 06:01:45 03/26/2001
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Mr. Nato, for you to know that, not only do you need to know how good Nissan's will be in 2003 (Which, I suppose you DO know), but also how good all the cars from other manufactures will be in 2003. For example, just how good will Mercs, BMW's, Ferrari's and Porsche's be in 2003? How good will Honda's and Toyota's be? Do you know these things? Do you??? Well if you don't I suggest you not make comments such as the one you made about the future!

Hey, I have nothing agaist Nissan - I own one! Their passenger cars are, well, rather conservative, to say the least, but their sports cars are great!

But how coule you just say that they alone will be better than cars on the market in 2003???

I'M I ON THE RIGHT TRACK? Re: JAPANESE SPORTS CARS VS AMERICAN SPORTS CARS (Currently 1 replies)
Posted At 16:31:28 03/27/2001
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who cares about racing I go for "LOOKS" and ORIGINALITY the problem with honda is too many **ers have em!! tell you the truth I don't give a ** about HONDA's or MUSTANG's I suggest to get a none papular car and make it look good, honda's are bieng done the same **ing style all over the world, same as Mustangs, I rather go for ALTESSA though. but if I have to choose which car is the best I'll go for japanese cars. you just can't get a nice America car for the same price as japs cars. Actualy all cars are nice.... we just like to argue and say *** about each other CAN WE JUST GET ALONG!!!! I STILL WON'T BUY A HONDA OR MUSTANG THOUGH!!!!!!
King RAW Re: JAPANESE SPORTS CARS VS AMERICAN SPORTS CARS (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 08:39:12 03/29/2001
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I own a 1977 280z, and a 1984 pontiac Trans AM. Japaneses cars
are fun, but when you want to be serious go American all the way
American cars are affordable oposed to Japanses. It's all about the
economy, if they made American cars more exspensive they would win hands down
a good example is NASCAR. Hell these are cars I see on the street all the time
In short it's all about your style.

[djenron]

It's all about the american power. My 87 mustang lx hatch. supercharged 5.0, edelbrock intake, 75-150 nos hookup, police interceptor kit, and an aerodynamic dominator body kit. Thats how you make a mustang burn and outhandle any rice burner. Cops in the south drive em for a reason. Their incredibly fast, tough, and can handle like a mother with the cop kit. Imports cant hold a flame to it. Except for this one guy who had a bad ass tt 300zx. Ive gotten the best of Porshes, supras, lotus, tons of civics, acuras, and none of the driver could believe it. Its all in the mods.